Star Wars Movie Discussion

tizooka

I like the prequels because they gave us this

Duel of fates-Phantom Menace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vzvCRCU82g

Battle of the heroes suite- Revenge of the Siths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P244DsBEYxs

And probably one of the best matching score for an almost greek like tragedy Anakin's betreyal- Revenge of the Siths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muehxvezYmI

Now I agree There is plenty of corny acting bad dialogue bad directing.

But I am also an ex pen and paper Game Master and I always hated piss poor monster loot type of quests in those and I always loved the politica aspects of say D&D or for those who are more familiar with this Vampire the mascerade (there it's almost always political)

The point of that little side track was to say that the rise of Palpatine as the Emperor was really what sealed the deal for me. As a character he didn't get to do much in the OT and well he got a lot more three dimensional after the PT. I can understand his motivs and he stops being an all around "evil" guy. Ian McKellen has phrased it very nicelly "There is no such thing as an evil character."

There are my two cents on the PT. As for the ST well I don't like the fact that they are forcing me to love characters I don't give a flying f*** about. Rey Poe Finn...I m here for Luke Leia and Han...And they are for two of them dead so fuck Ep IX ^^

Sodo

So. Rise of Skywalker. Didn't watch it but I read what happens. Saw what happens. I am... Glad I didn't go see it. Feels like a fan fiction on the big screen.

johnny567smith

Saw Rise of Skywalker last night with some of my college friends.

Letâ€™s just say I want my money back

MrL

I don't think we got any navel-baring in the entire Sequel Trilogy. After Leia's metal bikini in Return of the Jedi and Padme's midfriff in Attack of the Clones, that's disappointing. I really would've liked to see Rey's midriff.

ppfd

I've been saying it since TFA: Di$ney Star Wars = bad fan fiction wrapped in OT rehashes and painfully self-aware , virtually fourth wall=breaking fan service, and their plan all along was to effectively 'New Coke' the franchise. If you *really still think at this point that Lucas' plans for this trilogy would've been worse than what we ultimately got, you're a lost cause. :( "Say what you will about Mel Gibson George Lucas, at least he understands story." -- South Park*

MikeBrooklyn

Yes, it is a pity that Rey never wore anything revealing. We didn't need a full on metal bikini scene, but would it really be that bad for her to get the lower half of her shirt ripped off?

But let us keep this in mind, folks, if you hate the Disney Star Wars movies, you only have one person to blame ... George Lucas. Why? Because he handpicked Kathleen Kennedy to be in charge of the company. He could have gone with Dave Filoni, a man who he taught everything there is to know about the Star Wars Universe, but oh no, he went with Kennedy, and look what happened. So once again Star Wars' downfall is thanks to the man who birthed it.

ppfd

Yes, it is a pity that Rey never wore anything revealing. We didn't need a full on metal bikini scene, but would it really be that bad for her to get the lower half of her shirt ripped off?

Granted, even Kennedy called Leia's slave outfit "sexist" in an interview... which only goes to show how little she understands SW; the whole point of that costume was not because Lucas is a sleazy pervert, but because it fits with his story, i.e, a once-dignified princess/senator being reduced to a side of beef for the sake of a smarmy gangster's personal amusement.

But let us keep this in mind, folks, if you hate the Disney Star Wars movies, you only have one person to blame ... George Lucas. Why? Because he handpicked Kathleen Kennedy to be in charge of the company. He could have gone with Dave Filoni, a man who he taught everything there is to know about the Star Wars Universe, but oh no, he went with Kennedy, and look what happened. So once again Star Wars' downfall is thanks to the man who birthed it.

I personally still blame Frank Darabont, Ron Howard, Robert Zemeckis, and Steven Spielberg for all turning down George's propositions to help him make the prequels and encouraging him to just write and direct them himself in the first place (even though he was clearly reluctant to doing such a task, which is almost certainly why he tried to enlist them in the first place). And while, to quote Grand Moff Tarkin, George was "far too trusting" that Kennedy and Iger would definitely follow his own template for the IP, it's hard to deny that it was a total dick move for them to just totally disregard his wishes after essentially signing his entire life creation over to them: I mean, how many people outright claim to presumably understand a property better than its own creator??? No one is without egg on their face here.

Sodo

I know I have less in terms of critique ground in this debate due to not watching Episode 8 OR 9. I instead read what I needed to know and watched clips and other critiques on the movies. That said, if you enjoy the movies, that's great. Truly. I'm glad people can see them and like them or love them. For me personally, it's a train wreck that has glimmers and sparks of hope sewn in, yet otherwise, it's just a big, boisterous mess.

I feel having different directors was a terrible idea. Rian Johnson didn't give two f*cks about the previous film or any other film, he wanted to do it HIS way, and that meant "subverting expectations" by flipping off the fans. Then to go back to J.J. Abrams... It just doesn't seem to have worked very well. Abrams was going one way. Johnson said "nah, I'm going my own way," and then Abrams had to basically scramble to half-backtrack.

And in doing so...

We're left with Rey Palpatine the glorified Mary Sue who never develops as a real character, a half-assed romance/soulmate subplot that goes nowhere, the redemption of Ben Solo after two movies of being an angsty teen, the Emperor magically surviving and getting shoehorned in, Luke almost apologizing for how he was written in Episode 8, characters getting sidelined or forgotten, Leia being a Jedi with little build up, endless fan service galore, and Fin and Poe having very little to do overall.

And that isn't even getting into the various retcons and pointless decisions made - like Snoke the clone puppet, the Knights of Ren, and Hux the mole. What even.

Oh. And I might be an outlier in saying this, but... I legit couldn't care less about midriff exposure. No, I don't find it "sexist," I just don't care about it, personally.

MikeBrooklyn

Going back to the metal bikini, many feminists overlook the core message of the scene. Yes, Leia as been stripped down to a bikini and put on a leash. However, she then takes that same leash and uses it to choke her oppressor to death. You'd think that would be a favorite moment for "woke" culture that is always proclaiming "down with the patriarchy", but no, their hatred for the bikini blinds them.

MikeBrooklyn

Saw it. Short Review: Better than Last Jedi (not a high standard), on par with Force Awakens. Rise of Skywalker is the best of the sequel trilogy (again, not a high standard), but Empire Strikes Back is still the best the franchise has to offer. Way too many plot conveniences. Avengers: Endgame was a more satisfying conclusion.

ppfd

Having finally been able to sail the online seas to see this one, I honestly can't hold up one movie in this trilogy above the others. All 3 collectively negated everything that was accomplished in the OT. All 3 ruined Luke's, Han's, and Leia's characters. They also pretty much ruined certain crucial in-universe elements, namely hyperspace (i.e. the 'Holdo maneuver' and 'lightspeed skipping' -- so much for it *not* being like dusting crops, huh? :-X) and, even worse, the Force ('Force-Skyping'? Force-projecting/-draining? Force diads? And where the hell were those healing abilities when Anakin was trying to save his mother? Theoretically he never should've become Vader with such abilities :-\). And, of course, Palpatine/Sidious' return completely ruins Anakin/Vader's story arc, and, frankly, paints him as the ultimate winner, since his line continues, while the Skywalkers' was totally wiped out... which I suppose makes TROS the most egregious as far as SW lore goes. God, what a mess. >:(

Ryvern46

It's still way too early to tell how this will all play out in my opinion. I'm waiting till the first trailer before I start passing judgement.

I'm still a little pissed that they are completely disregarding the vast Star Wars EU though. I understand why they wouldn't completely follow any of the novels but they at least could have done what the Marvel and DC movies did, take different elements of different comic runs and combine and tweak them to fit the movie universes. Thrawn and Mara Jade should have been included in some form or another.

On another note, I am very surprised they were able to complete principal shooting without any notable on set footage or photos leaking out.

Still bummed Thrawn was never even acknowledged in the movies

tizooka

Still bummed Thrawn was never even acknowledged in the movies

The entire ST has been just a huge pile of sh*t and THAT'S what you're bummed about?

MikeBrooklyn

Still bummed Thrawn was never even acknowledged in the movies

The entire ST has been just a huge pile of sh*t and THAT'S what you're bummed about?

tizooka

Never seen Dune...Heard there was a reboot coming soon. I may give it a go before it comes out

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